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Monday, 07 January 2013
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People’s motivation is a continuing challenge particularly in our community, where some emphasize the disinformation as part of their daily lives while embracing people that support an overall strategy of destruction of their peers lives.

 

These destructive behaviors are part of the degrading power of gossiping, with the intent of social destruction of others; on the other hand, these people feel, somehow, always a kind of motivation, by people of their level, intellectually or inferior socially, to degrade the good job of the people that really cares about the well-being of the community.

My word to these people, that unfortunately are part of this community, is to please get over it, get help so you can help all of us be more productive for a stronger Capeverdean community.

No despicable gossiping will ever successfully support your effort to destroy what others have accomplished during these many years of hard work, learning and success.

Even the most supportive group provides daily challenges and often will operate at cross purposes with goals and efforts to encourage others motivation.

Unfortunately and perhaps the most common places for people of low self-esteem and/or, lack of social confidence are where we all in this community are subject to.

These people show the struggle that they have to engage while trying to accomplish their destructive objectives. A fraction of their peers’ motivation and desire to contribute will be able to survive these behaviors and, it shows how big the desire of a better community in each one of us.

Some will never reach their objectives and ultimately decide to contribute to a better community, one day. These and others will always fail on their efforts to destroy others that have a lot to offer to this society.

No matter what climate your group of uninformed people provides you on your motivation, you can, within the perimeters of your areas of responsibility, and even beyond, if you choose to extend your reach, create an environment that fosters and calls forth people’s motivation.

In this new year of 2013, I wish you all the best and that our community becomes a better one and more positive and productive one.

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+1 #1 Manu k 2013-01-07 23:07
Well said/Bem Flado
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+4 #2 O Pioneiro 2013-01-08 10:05
"Take it easy brother". Your health first. Kumunidadi analfabeta que se lixe pa.
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+3 #3 criolina 2013-01-08 10:45
The capeverdean community is a lost case. No cure.
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+2 #4 Skiner 2013-01-09 11:00
You’re right on! Everybody is a critic.
It’s just despicable how “we” work! To all you critics out there: We Need more Action and less Talk. So shut your pipe out and SERVE!
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-4 #5 Tutor Trote 2013-01-09 13:39
You can not be real...you can not expect people to respect your writings, or take you seriously with this bad English... I do not want to put you down... but man your English writing skills lack big times...nuf said
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-3 #6 Makaku Bedju 2013-01-09 16:14
I met this guy once in Maryland in a house party. I think it was him, I'm not sure. But I can pretty guess from his writing that he came to the U.S. as a grown up.
I recall him speaking perfect creole at the party and being very vocal. The hostess was a Cape Verdean lady married to a Nigerian, Cogolese or something, a few miles outside of D.C.

Was that you, Carlos? This was maybe five or six years ago.

Anyway, as you know very well, Cape Verdeans use a lot of aninal methaphors in their idioms, one is Makaku bedjo, old monkey. Basically, the idea is that it is next to impossible to master a third language as a fully grown adult, or as a Makaku Bedju.

You're better off with Kriolu, your mother tongue, or with Portuguese, your second language. English is for the makakinhos, the youngings.
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-2 #7 Makaku Bedju 2013-01-09 23:09
By the way, Nhu Carlu Lopi, the metaphorical use of "makaku" wasn't meant as an insult to you, I just used it as an illustrative tool.
Also, I take back the part where I stated that it's nearly impossible to master a third language as an adult. IT CAN BE Done. Yes. You'll be a case in point soon. I say "soon" because you're almost there, it's just a matter of time for you.
Regular reading and writing will considerably speed up that process, guaranteed!



P.S. Makaku (Monkey) is the second most important animal in the cape Verdean metaphoricsl lexicon. The first is the horse, the supreme animal of the CV animal metaphor
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+4 #8 xatiado 2013-01-09 23:27
Makaku Bedjo, you were rather shrewd to make the second comment. You redeemed yourself by accepting that it is possible to become proficient in a second language after you become makaku bedjo. Behold, I know enough of makaku nobos that master nothing, other than slang and street vernacular. Just saying!
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+1 #9 xatiado 2013-01-09 23:30
Carlos, keep up the positive attitude. Hard work, perseverance, and high self-esteem are the recipe to success.
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+2 #10 Amigo Bedju 2013-01-09 23:31
As far I'm concerned, Makaku Bedju concentrate on the message that Mr. Lopes is trying to get across.
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-1 #11 Makaku Bedju 2013-01-10 01:34
Quoting xatiado:
Makaku Bedjo, you were rather shrewd to make the second comment. You redeemed yourself by accepting that it is possible to become proficient in a second language after you become makaku bedjo. Behold, I know enough of makaku nobos that master nothing, other than slang and street vernacular. Just saying!


Xatiado, did you become fluent in English as a Makaku Bedju or as a touro nobo? If the first is the case, then you're an exception. Unless, that is, if you are exceptionally skilled.
Another possibility would be that you read a lot and have really good auditory skills. These are two typical ways a Makaku Bedju becomes proficient, however uncommon it may be.

As for the "Makaku nobos", I would actually call them "touros"(young bulls), they have a natural facility with languages. All they need is to make minimal effort and they would see results.

Learning a third language to a touro is like a young man trying to put muscles by lifting weights; he'd muscle-up so easily. Why? He's in his prime, his testosterone level are raging... Language works in a similar context. If you ask Nhu Manel Vega, he would confirm it to you.
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+1 #12 carlos 2013-01-10 07:18
Makaku Bedjo.

It was while I was working in Washington area. Yes it was me. About your comment on crioul language, please leave that for an other occasion. Concentrate on what we are talking about now. If you want I will tackle the Crioul here and light you up on the issues of the crioul as You get it.
Carlos Fortes Lopes, M.A.
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+2 #13 carlos 2013-01-10 07:23
The prior comment did not come up right. I wrote more than is there. Crioul need to be studied with the inclusion of the 9 variants and not only 2. Crioul will not help Cape Verde Islands in any way. Only Capeverdeans speak the language and we are about a million people in this universe. Please be serious.
Carlos Fortes Lopes, M.A.
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+6 #14 gulibas 2013-01-10 09:16
Instead of wasting time focusing on the grammar “crap” I suggest we pay attention to the overall content of Carlos’ article. Carlos is partially correct—as he needs to understand (I am sure he knows) that there are several things (inveja, politica, falta de lideranca, ganancia na ganha dinhero, trabadja 15 horas por dia, etc….) that affect us as a whole.
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0 #15 palo 2013-01-10 12:38
Quoting Makaku Bedju:
Quoting xatiado:
Makaku Bedjo, you were rather shrewd to make the second comment. You redeemed yourself by accepting that it is possible to become proficient in a second language after you become makaku bedjo. Behold, I know enough of makaku nobos that master nothing, other than slang and street vernacular. Just saying!


Xatiado, did you become fluent in English as a Makaku Bedju or as a touro nobo? If the first is the case, then you're an exception. Unless, that is, if you are exceptionally skilled.
Another possibility would be that you read a lot and have really good auditory skills. These are two typical ways a Makaku Bedju becomes proficient, however uncommon it may be.

As for the "Makaku nobos", I would actually call them "touros"(young bulls), they have a natural facility with languages. All they need is to make minimal effort and they would see results.

Learning a third language to a touro is like a young man trying to put muscles by lifting weights; he'd muscle-up so easily. Why? He's in his prime, his testosterone level are raging... Language works in a similar context. If you ask Nhu Manel Vega, he would confirm it to you.

Makaku Bedju, allow me to contradict you. I personally know countless "makakus bedjus" who mastered many languages way past "toros nobus" age.
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0 #16 Makaku Bedju 2013-01-10 15:26
Quoting palo:
Quoting Makaku Bedju:
Quoting xatiado:
Makaku Bedjo, you were rather shrewd to make the second comment. You redeemed yourself by accepting that it is possible to become proficient in a second language after you become makaku bedjo. Behold, I know enough of makaku nobos that master nothing, other than slang and street vernacular. Just saying!


Xatiado, did you become fluent in English as a Makaku Bedju or as a touro nobo? If the first is the case, then you're an exception. Unless, that is, if you are exceptionally skilled.
Another possibility would be that you read a lot and have really good auditory skills. These are two typical ways a Makaku Bedju becomes proficient, however uncommon it may be.

As for the "Makaku nobos", I would actually call them "touros"(young bulls), they have a natural facility with languages. All they need is to make minimal effort and they would see results.

Learning a third language to a touro is like a young man trying to put muscles by lifting weights; he'd muscle-up so easily. Why? He's in his prime, his testosterone level are raging... Language works in a similar context. If you ask Nhu Manel Vega, he would confirm it to you.

Makaku Bedju, allow me to contradict you. I personally know countless "makakus bedjus" who mastered many languages way past "toros nobus" age.


It's possible but unlikely. Makaku Bedju pamas eh prendi papia y skrebi um triseru o kuartu lingua, eh ta pensa sempre na si lingua 1(nativo) o 2 (lingua keh prendi na skola desdi di kriansa)

As for touro nobos, they only need to make minimal effort and lo they'd become almost native-like in fluency. That's just the reality of the situation.
The problem with touro y baka nobos is that they have too many distractions. They need us Makaku Bedjus to guide them.
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+1 #17 Makaku Bedju 2013-01-10 15:37
Quoting carlos:
Makaku Bedjo.

It was while I was working in Washington area. Yes it was me. About your comment on crioul language, please leave that for an other occasion. Concentrate on what we are talking about now. If you want I will tackle the Crioul here and light you up on the issues of the crioul as You get it.
Carlos Fortes Lopes, M.A.
carlosforteslop


Nhu Carlo Lopi la di SonSent?
So you'll light me up? Go ahead, knock yourself out.

By the way, I think you meant to say "enlighten me", not light me up. Light me up sounds like you're about to shoot me or something.

And yes the creole comment is pertinent to this topic because it's the language you think in. It's the main reason for all the criticism of your writing.
In other words, if you could think in english, your article's premise and points would have come across much clearer and as result we woudn't be having this back and forth.
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+2 #18 palo 2013-01-10 15:41
Quoting Makaku Bedju:
Quoting palo:
Quoting Makaku Bedju:
Quoting xatiado:
Makaku Bedjo, you were rather shrewd to make the second comment. You redeemed yourself by accepting that it is possible to become proficient in a second language after you become makaku bedjo. Behold, I know enough of makaku nobos that master nothing, other than slang and street vernacular. Just saying!


Xatiado, did you become fluent in English as a Makaku Bedju or as a touro nobo? If the first is the case, then you're an exception. Unless, that is, if you are exceptionally skilled.
Another possibility would be that you read a lot and have really good auditory skills. These are two typical ways a Makaku Bedju becomes proficient, however uncommon it may be.

As for the "Makaku nobos", I would actually call them "touros"(young bulls), they have a natural facility with languages. All they need is to make minimal effort and they would see results.

Learning a third language to a touro is like a young man trying to put muscles by lifting weights; he'd muscle-up so easily. Why? He's in his prime, his testosterone level are raging... Language works in a similar context. If you ask Nhu Manel Vega, he would confirm it to you.

Makaku Bedju, allow me to contradict you. I personally know countless "makakus bedjus" who mastered many languages way past "toros nobus" age.


It's possible but unlikely. Makaku Bedju pamas eh prendi papia y skrebi um triseru o kuartu lingua, eh ta pensa sempre na si lingua 1(nativo) o 2 (lingua keh prendi na skola desdi di kriansa)

As for touro nobos, they only need to make minimal effort and lo they'd become almost native-like in fluency. That's just the reality of the situation.
The problem with touro y baka nobos is that they have too many distractions. They need us Makaku Bedjus to guide them.

But how can makaku bedjus guide toros nobos if they lack the fluency and cultural sensitivities needed for such a task?

You're wrong again when you use a personal case (as to older migrants not being able to master a new language) to paint us all as unable to achieve fluency in new languages. I, and many older friends of mine, do that in our sleep. You might want to start making new friends, think outside the box, break the chains, free your mind and soul, whatever would allow you to finally SEE the light.
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+3 #19 palo 2013-01-10 15:44
Quoting Makaku Bedju:
Quoting carlos:
Makaku Bedjo.

It was while I was working in Washington area. Yes it was me. About your comment on crioul language, please leave that for an other occasion. Concentrate on what we are talking about now. If you want I will tackle the Crioul here and light you up on the issues of the crioul as You get it.
Carlos Fortes Lopes, M.A.
carlosforteslop


Nhu Carlo Lopi la di SonSent?
So you'll light me up? Go ahead, knock yourself out.

By the way, I think you meant to say "enlighten me", not light me up. Light me up sounds like you're about to shoot me or something.

And yes the creole comment is pertinent to this topic because it's the language you think in. It's the main reason for all the criticism of your writing.
In other words, if you could think in english, your article's premise and points would have come across much clearer and as result we woudn't be having this back and forth.

Makaku Bedju, we don't have to have this back and forth. All you have to do is comment on the merit of the article rather than on its academic value.

Para djobi piodjo na cabesa di careca.
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-2 #20 Makaku Bedju 2013-01-10 17:30
Quoting palo:
Quoting Makaku Bedju:
Quoting palo:
Quoting Makaku Bedju:
Quoting xatiado:
Makaku Bedjo, you were rather shrewd to make the second comment. You redeemed yourself by accepting that it is possible to become proficient in a second language after you become makaku bedjo. Behold, I know enough of makaku nobos that master nothing, other than slang and street vernacular. Just saying!


Xatiado, did you become fluent in English as a Makaku Bedju or as a touro nobo? If the first is the case, then you're an exception. Unless, that is, if you are exceptionally skilled.
Another possibility would be that you read a lot and have really good auditory skills. These are two typical ways a Makaku Bedju becomes proficient, however uncommon it may be.

As for the "Makaku nobos", I would actually call them "touros"(young bulls), they have a natural facility with languages. All they need is to make minimal effort and they would see results.

Learning a third language to a touro is like a young man trying to put muscles by lifting weights; he'd muscle-up so easily. Why? He's in his prime, his testosterone level are raging... Language works in a similar context. If you ask Nhu Manel Vega, he would confirm it to you.

Makaku Bedju, allow me to contradict you. I personally know countless "makakus bedjus" who mastered many languages way past "toros nobus" age.

But how can makaku bedjus guide toros nobos if they lack the fluency and cultural sensitivities needed for such a task?

You're wrong again when you use a personal case (as to older migrants not being able to master a new language) to paint us all as unable to achieve fluency in new languages. I, and many older friends of mine, do that in our sleep. You might want to start making new friends, think outside the box, break the chains, free your mind and soul, whatever would allow you to finally SEE the light.


Makaku Bedjus can guide the toros by advising and directing them toward the right path.
I certainly am able and capable of doing such a task. In fact, I do it in my wide circle of friends, acquaintances and even random people, from the whole world. So, really, you're the one who needs to break your inner chains and see the light. Do it today! Before you go see your beloved PP tomorrow.
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+2 #21 palo 2013-01-10 17:45
Makaus Bedjus, you may lack common sense but VERVE is something you seem to have in abundance.
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-1 #22 Makaku Bedju 2013-01-10 19:15
Quoting palo:
Makaus Bedjus, you may lack common sense but VERVE is something you seem to have in abundance.


Anho tb nhu ka fika pa tras na kel aspetu la.
From one monkey to another. And I would bet that all the horses and cows reading would concur.
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+3 #23 John Matos 2013-01-10 20:59
Sejamos positivos "in the new year"!

I want to share some of my job with my people:

http://www.portugues.rfi.fr/africa/20130106-tubaroes-azuis-de-cabo-verde-iniciam-estagio-em-portugal-antes-do-can-na-africa-do-s

I will be back!

john mattos
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+3 #24 xatiado 2013-01-10 21:12
Makaku Bedjo, I leanrned the English language way past my prime. It was the forth language I learned. The reason I achieved an acceptable level of proficiency, in writing, has its roots, on the mastery level I achieved in the other languages.

There is an abundance of research documents that point out that Makaku Bedjos can master the language if certain conditions are in place, but testesterone level has nothing to do with it.

A makaku bedjo with a well developed academic language in his native language, will learn the second language with ease, due to the abundance of cognates in both languages.

In spite of the fact that I learned English as a makaku bedjo, I can write, read, and speak English, with ease, style, and substance. Your theory, or should I say hypothesis, does not hold water.

Generalizing statements are like boomerang; they bounce back and hit you in the face.

As you can tell, we are drifting away from the focus of the article, into the realm of Linguistics, wich might be too cognitively demanding for us.

Vovo di makaku Bedjo
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+3 #25 xatiado 2013-01-10 21:13
fourth, I meant
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0 #26 Makaku Bedju 2013-01-10 21:50
Quoting xatiado:
Makaku Bedjo, I leanrned the English language way past my prime. It was the forth language I learned. The reason I achieved an acceptable level of proficiency, in writing, has its roots, on the mastery level I achieved in the other languages.

In spite of the fact that I learned English as a makaku bedjo, I can write, read, and speak English, with ease, style, and substance. Your theory, or should I say hypothesis, does not hold water.

Generalizing statements are like boomerang; they bounce back and hit you in the face.

As you can tell, we are drifting away from the focus of the article, into the realm of Linguistics, wich might be too cognitively demanding for us.

Vovo di makaku Bedjo


Xatiado, testestorne is a primary muscle hormone in a human body, the more of it you have, the easier it is to build mass mass. It decreases substancially with age. And so does language acquisition. The older you get, the harder it becomes to master it. Even Rosetta Stone will confirm this for you. I used this analogy to make my point across regarding a young man vs. an older one in a third or fourth language acquisition context. That is, an hypothetical younger person would only need to make minimal effort to see progress.

By contrast, the older one would have to make much greater strides. Read on. And please understand the analogy. Don't take it literally.

The young man at the gym has an advantage over you because his testestorone levels are raging. So he doesn't even have to have good form or strategise like you to gain quality muscle. All he has to do is lift that dumb bell, and voila, guns will be showing. Meanwhile, you, the old monkey, will be looking and wondering if that young toro in taking roids on ride. No. He's got raw youth juice.

Likewise, the toro nobo, miolo is very elastic and therefore, with just a little effort, he learns easily and faster, and thinks in the targeted 3rd or fourth language.

Granted, this does not mean that a given toro will automatically be better than a makaku bedju. I'm aware of the intellect levels and the curving bell. Meaning, there are always going to be cases that contrict this hypothesis but these are in the minority. The norm confirms my conclusion. Ask any linguist and they'll tell you the same thing
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+2 #27 Tutor Trote 2013-01-11 13:42
To Makaku Bedjo, Palo, Xatiado e mais quejandos; your ramblings, be it with swagger or not, show your lack of understanding ...Language is just a tool, a vehicle of the thought. An average High School students can use this tool as well as anyone with minimal linguistic skills...but can not express succinctly, and in sophisticated way his thoghts...As for me what matters is the content rather than the vehicle - show me whta you know, rather than talk about it
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-2 #28 John Silva 2013-01-11 14:08
Vejam so agora ja esgueceu de Portugues. Camaleao...
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+2 #29 palo 2013-01-11 14:43
Quoting Tutor Trote:
To Makaku Bedjo, Palo, Xatiado e mais quejandos; your ramblings, be it with swagger or not, show your lack of understanding ...Language is just a tool, a vehicle of the thought. An average High School students can use this tool as well as anyone with minimal linguistic skills...but can not express succinctly, and in sophisticated way his thoghts...As for me what matters is the content rather than the vehicle - show me whta you know, rather than talk about it

Tutor, here's what I wrote above, post #19:

Makaku Bedju, we don't have to have this back and forth. All you have to do is comment on the merit of the article rather than on its academic value.

Para djobi piodjo na cabesa di careca.


OK?
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+1 #30 Tutor Trote 2013-01-11 15:02
Palo, Palo read - carefully - your own post..."comment on the merit of the article rather than its academic content?" Your disjunctive" logic makes no sense in this particular case, for neither one is worth a penny of my time... it has no merit for I had no "gusto" to debug its messy structures nor did i wanted to get my hands muddy in that entangled soup of English syntax
My earlier comment was meant to persuade him to write in either Crioulo or Portugueses...a better vehicle for his mind...if you will
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